IGF 2024 - Day 2 - Workshop Room 7 - OF 15 Digital cooperation- the road ahead

The following are the outputs of the captioning taken during an IGF intervention. Although it is largely accurate, in some cases it may be incomplete or inaccurate due to inaudible passages or transcription errors. It is posted as an aid, but should not be treated as an authoritative record.

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>> I'm sorry for the voice.  It is a bit chilly in the evening.  I may have caught a flu or something.  Excellent discussion.  Important topic.  Many thanks.  I don't want to sound too pessimistic, but as the Secretary General reminded us that 70% of the goals on sustainable development progressing in line with the plans I think it is important that we ensure that it does not fall in the same challenges and problems that the Sustainable Development Goals are facing at the moment. 

It would be, for the record it was $0.17 that the Secretary General mentioned.  How do you ensure that all the stakeholders, even the nations that might have been willing to endorse the outcome of the negotiations onboard and achieve the targets and objectives of the GDC.  Many thanks. 

>> FILIPPO PIEROZZI:  Thank you.  The next interventions.  Trust me we all share the pain of the simultaneous translations and getting speakers rights. 

>> Hello.  Justin Thomas from Digital Well Programme in Saudi Arabia.  You can hear me okay? There is an inherent tension for me in the GDC in that there is this idea of connecting the unconnected and ensuring equitable access to technology.  Especially for populations that are currently underserved and kind of out of the loop.  I think at the same time there is also challenges that come with connectivity.  I think this is kind of touched on in terms of the digital literacy.  I think there is an inherent kind of, if you connect people first or you kind of prevent them or kind of provide some kind of harms from the nations that have connected to digital technologies have experienced social there are we haves and mitigating the risks doing that simultaneously.  That is not a question but a reflection and something that I think is important.  There are stakeholders who are very much kind of cheerleaders that are connected and there should be a conversation for people that advocate for a safe healthy problem free technology. 

>> FILIPPO PIEROZZI:  I think there was another intervention in the room.  If we can pass on the mic to the colleague. 

>> I'm representing Global Cybersecurity Firm.  Can you hear me well? Okay.  We contributed throughout the process and signed the pledge in endorsing Global Impact Initiatives.  We believe it is important to involve academia and discussing technology matters and as technologies evolve a lot and there really needs to be input on the real fields.  We believe that from the results even if we have shared goals to achieve tangible results focus is the key.  We recommend on the initiative to establish scientific panel and when there is focus it is much easier to unite activities.  I think this is a key contribution.  The key for my command here and those that are interested in AI tomorrow we will facilitate a session on balancing risks and benefits on AI at 11:15 so welcome.  Welcome, everyone.  Again, thank you for all your work at GDC. 

>> FILIPPO PIEROZZI:  Thank you and log to the session tomorrow.  I think we have another couple of interventions.  Go to the floor and then we will go to the third row. 

>> Guess you can hear me?

>> FILIPPO PIEROZZI:  We can. 

>> I'm Dr. Anan.  I'm from the United Institution of India.  Cautionary from my side.  When we work on compliances we need to keep in mind that innovation is not stifled.  When we come up with guidelines and work out compliance details let make it guidelines oriented than compliance oriented so that we are able to make sure that innovation is kept up especially when it comes to developing countries. 

>> FILIPPO PIEROZZI:  Thank you.  Thank you.  Thank you so much.  Before we get another intervention maybe if you want to address the observation.  I understand in a minute. 

>> First I want to thank you for having us.  All of this conversation we start slowly.  Yeah, it starts slowly.  Now we cannot stop.  I have to leave.  I wanted to say what I heard was a lot of interesting comment on the how.  Again, we are just taking the temperature of what happened with the adoption.  Remember the GDC is part of the pack of the future.  We don't need to think how we realign.  Everything is part of the same story.  There is a wakeup call.  It is telling us it is not working how we want.  On the top it is a digital component.  This is our mission and mandate.  Hopefully during the next few days we continue this conversation, reach to us.  We have a booth there.  We have advertising and we have a lot of events.  First of all, I want to thank the office of the tech involved and ICC has to go for this great conversation.  We should have another hour, but I have to leave.  Thank you again. 

>> FILIPPO PIEROZZI:  Thanks to all of you.  I think we have the room for another hour.  We can just keep going.  We can keep here.  I understand that there is another intervention from the floor.  Maybe we can take that one.  I can pass the mic. 

>> Thank you so much.  My name is from the Opportunities Foundation.  I'm a child's right advocate.  I really enjoyed hearing the GDC part of the pack for the future.  Children are our future.  Also I understand that we need to balance risks and the opportunities.  I don't think that what we've seen with the Australian legislation that is keeping the children away up to the age of 16 from digital media.  They have the right to access the media and access information and to freedom of speech.  It is very important that as children are the future we ensure that the global compact also addresses children's rights.  That is already the case, and we have to take that into consideration when we go into implementation.  Thank you. 

>> FILIPPO PIEROZZI:  Thank you so much.  Maybe I see there is another intervention.  I will be very quick.  To the colleague I think Ambassador will be with us very shortly on stage.  Maybe we can hear part of that revitalization and definitely we want the global digital compact and part of the design is that the Global Digital Compact contributes to the 83% that is unfulfilled and at the same time doesn't fall in pitfalls and shortcomings.  We need to set indicators and be realistic with the indicators and at the same time it is something that we cannot keep us pointing.  The last intervention I think it went very well to the point about connectivity.  There are tradeoffs in the conversation.  Maybe on the child rights and conversation.  How multistakeholders and in children rights it was clear.  The co‑facilitators started this conversation with one reference to child's rights.  The final text.  I think 12 or 13.  Really there was a big push for multistakeholder community.  There was a big outreach with the national level in Geneva.  That is a great example.  There will be tradeoffs as we're thinking and how we implement it.  Again, global digital technologies can be an enabler for children.  Of course it is almost proven fact that there are some harms that comes from digital platforms. 

I think there is another intervention. 

>> Is this working? Okay. 

I just want to just reaffirm what previous speaker said.  We're talking about digital corporation.  I want to focus on corporation.  This all GDC is not in and of itself.  It is development oriented.  As the gentleman said.  This insert itself in the system and development oriented activities that go on in United Nations.  I just want to underline one that is critical for developing countries.  It is the topic of financing and how this has to align with the commitments and how to finally the ODA commitments of developed countries for family financing that are not being fulfilled it is very important.  In order to have enough resources for the projects that developing countries should or need to implement.  I only as it is said if we want developing goals to be fulfilled that only 17 are in track.  I think that financing for development is one of the most important things. 

>> FILIPPO PIEROZZI:  Is anyone online? Otherwise we are already over time to wrap up.  I would encourage every one of you who paired with us.  We have one online. 

>> Thank you very much.  Just to say with you the GDC is not a new thing.  It is just an appreciation for the heavy measures and part of the negotiations, and I want to underscore that.  Coming from there I want to ask you this: As having done the evaluation and having identified it, have we done an appreciation, speaking the military language of the resource requirements.  I'm going to talk on behalf of the uncommitted and the unconnected is not a function only of the developing countries.  Unconnected is the future right around.  Have we considered the essential resource requirements to make sure that the unconnected participation given in the short time frames are understandable.  If we are saying 2027 the assumption is that we have put all the ducks in the row to ensure that the people that must say yes, we now can feel the existence of the compact at the lowest level in the communities.  Have we considered that? Not only funding all the other resource requirements that they both get approached.  Thank you. 

>> FILIPPO PIEROZZI:  Thank you.  Thank you for observation.  We might want to wrap it up and to bridge it to the next session that will begin in this very room moderated.  Thank you for your contribution and to endorse the compact and/or at least do contribute and share your ideas that your organization and association is already doing and where you would like to see this implementation. 

Hopefully, we will see each other at IGF 2025 in six months and to consolidate all the six months either of us will be critical to shape and the future of how Global Digital Compact will be implemented and the processes that are running parallel.  There will be a big conference in Spain next year.  Another one that is mentioned is the 20th Annual Review of this process.  With this, thank you all again.  Thank you for those that connected online.  I will hand it over. 

>> Thanks.  From the office of the Tech Envoy.  I think what we can do since we're warmed up and rolling to the next session is focus our thoughts now on answering some of those concrete implementation challenges. 

I would like to invite Ambassador and Thelma Sway. 

On the note of connectivity I want to take a little poll.  If you bear with me here in the room. 

If you are familiar with the GDC connected and lack of infrastructure or because of the skill set and the affordability of infrastructure.  I want to take a poll of the organizations that are here in the room. 

Could you stand up if you envision that you're contributing to closing digital divides implementation of GDC 1.  If you are working on digital skills.  Anyone in the room, can you stand? Okay.  Excellent.  Nice. 

Now stay standing if you are working on objective 2.  The Inclusive Digital Economy or stand up if you're working on Tech Transfers on the developing world.  Developing businesses to the internet.  If you're selling services online.  Don't be shy.  Stand.  Slightly less. 

Objective 3.  Thinking about open safe online spaces.  Thinking about women and girls safety online.  Gender‑based violence.  Thinking about misinformation and disinformation.  This is your concern.  Wonderful.  There is a lot of us here. 

Objective 4.  You are a company that has a lot of data or governing the data or data for development.  You're thinking about how to apply data to developments? One person in the back of the room. 

Or you're thinking about interoperability.  Who is worried about AI? Governance on AI? Who is working on that here? Concerned? Great.  Wonderful.  Thank you so much.  Thank you for participating in that.  You are in the right session. 

If you still have not made a decision or still haven't clarified you are in the right session.  Forgive me for the abstract comments from the UN at this stage.  I mentioned before that GDC Implementation is going to be primarily conducted by the stakeholders.  By governments, businesses, civil societies, academia, sciences, children as well.  The wonderful of GDC implementation is that it is already happening.  The UN will play a role and implementation to circulate and working on implementation map.  More news should be coming in the month of January and how you can get involved in that.  We do want to hear your thoughts on the design.  We’ve got a lot comments in the previous session in the design.  We do want to hear your thoughts about how working with cross sectors is going to make a real difference with that.  We invited a couple of guests.  Just two voices this morning and how the partnerships are assessing them or will be assessing them to take GDC. 

I would like to turnover to Ambassador Erikson first and then Thalma from Smart Africa.  Unfortunately, there is no free breakfast at this session.  I’m going to come to the audience and UN design and the next steps that we take forward to the road in digital cooperation so over to Ambassador Erikson.  Thank you so much for being here at such an early start this morning.  Tell us your thoughts. 

>> Thank you.  Maybe I should first introduce myself.  I am the Ambassador for Global Gateway in Finland.  It is a global initiative to have big infrastructure investments in at the global south on new emerging markets. 

It is interesting because I had the structured my intervention exactly the same way as you.  The first three goals closing the digital divides in order to achieve the Sustainable Development Goals and expanding the inclusion and benefits of digital economy and then fostering an inclusive digital space to protect and respect human rights. 

All of these we're taking into consideration when taking projects under the principle of Global Gate Way.  It mentions gender equality on women and girls and full participation in the digital space and important in Finland.  As well as accessible and affordable data in digital technologies and services.  It is all right to have connectivity, but you need to have access as well.  Meaningful connectivity is important. 

In Finland access to the internet is considered a human right.  That's why we are promoting through the global gateway connectivity issue.  It has five sectors, and it is one of them and we have chosen that as our focus. 

We work mostly in Africa.  Half of our investments will go to Africa.  A quarter to Asia and another quarter to Latin America. 

We are not only bringing connectivity and bringing, for example, submarine cables and the last mile connectivity.  We are also looking into the hard infrastructure but also the soft infrastructure.  Meaning capacity building and increasing digital literacy, skills, and capacity. 

I actually have a couple of good examples what Finland is doing.  Just a second.  I have to find it.  The page has now, there it is.  We have one project that is coming into an end.  Continuing in a different way.  Africa and Digital Green Transition.  In this project, for example, we send an expert for six months into Zambia and they protocol Artificial Influence strategy.  This is sort of capacity building that we do hands‑on. 

This partner of ours found out there is a lot of demand for this service.  They actually wrote the books for ethics for digitalization.  This is examples of how we can help and share our knowledge with other partners. 

Maybe it is best to give audience the possibility to ask questions.  We want to provide the whole package to our partners.  We build the connectivity and help with the digitalization and also emphasize schooling, education, and skills so that our partners have the whole package, and they can manage what the challenges are with the digital economy.  Thank you. 

>> Thanks so much.  Tell me you represent the government of Finland.  Was it the government of Finland that went to African countries and found the partners there? Was it expert from within the administrative foreign affairs? It sounds like you were working with partnerships?

>> Yes.  We found a partner to go for expert affairs and paid for them to reside and writing this strategy. 

>> What I'm and your story is actually the organization where you worked acted like a broker of different actors that wanted to collaborate to bring ethical AI ideas to a certain African content and translate these. 

>> Yes that is correct.  My work is to be a facilitator.  I find out the projects and reach out to companies and academia in Finland and available and interested to participating as well as trying to find financing for this.  Financing seems to be a crucial point.  There are lots of really, really good ideas.  Finding financing for those is crucial thing. 

>> Indeed.  One more question than go to the audience.  Were there any challenges or bumps along this way? What did you learn from the experience that can help others who are in similar positions trying to connect the actors in order to trying to get this done?

>> This specific project that I mentioned, it is quite surprising that the challenges are the same.  You go from north or south or east or west.  It is the same challenges that you have to deal with.  There is a lot of benefits from having this kind of technological diplomacy and sharing your experience so that the wheel doesn't have to be invented everywhere from scratch.  You can help and give some advice.  This is something that is important. 

Another issue that has come up a lot is I participated in a big conference in Latin America and their cybersecurity issues are things that need to be tackled.  There you have a lot because we might have a little bit more advanced, but we have the same challenges.  In order to have a secure digital space it is to share our experience and help others to raise the standards so that they can also fight against cybercrime. 

>> Let me check. I think my mic was cutting out. Is Thelma Quay with us from Smart Africa to give us a very different perspective? Okay. Let me go to the audience then some of you were standing just a moment ago. I think it’s working on now. Describing or showing some initiative on the GDC objectives are there any of you here that are working via partnerships on some of these GDC objectives or wises objectives in the back of the room. Could you introduce yourself and describe what the experience has been like so far.

>> Hi, everyone. My name is Kevin Hernandez. I’m from the Universal Post Union which is the UN organization that focuses on the postal sector and we have a program called Connect Post that aims to connect all the post offices in the world in the internet by 2030 and transport them into a one-stop shop where citizens can access government services digital financial services and also leverage them as like hubs for community networks.  We're trying to connect the unconnected through the postal infrastructure so that implies forming partnerships across governments, international donors, and private companies.  It’s been quite interesting.  We've had projects off the ground in several countries.  We’ve partnered with a few organizations and private agencies and governments in different levels.  Partnerships are key.  There’s no other way to do this without partnerships. Okay. You’re not off the hook yet so whenever I hear a diplomat say it was interesting. That tells me that there’s a lot more to dig into so it’s interesting to do these partnerships on the one hand you say it’s critical. Tell us about more about why it’s critical and then tell us what you’ve learned so far about how to make them work. It’s critical because it would not be able to function without it so we have a usually we’re working through the PO. The designated postal operator in each country, but they need to be given the authority to deliver other types of services for this to be able to work and they need to be able to be given the legal authority to operate a Community Network for this to work so you need to facilitate a lot of discussions and also you need to introduce them to a lot of people.

>> You need to also help them frame the way that they want to go about enabling change in a way that they’re not used to doing so. You need to send it to a lot of discussions and also to a lot of people and there is a lot of challenges.  We will have a session later today if anyone is interest in what I'm saying we're in Workshop 10. 

>> This is about finding the right cooperation and finding the right people to work with.  I give two examples of the work we've been doing in the past two years.  The first is that we look at do governments procure their ICT secure by design? We found that the answer is almost zero.  Industries by produced secure ICT then we will always remain in secure.  We come up with ideas on how to build up capacity in that topic to come up with procurement and procurement rules.  Somebody has to start listening to what we have done.  That is a major challenge already.  The second is skills.  We found in both topics and like Ambassador was saying there is not that much difference between the whole world.  No one is procuring.  Nobody is procuring by design.  In education and skills it is whether you live in the Netherlands where I live and demands in their education and cybersecurity.  We're going to present that at 12:30.  We made a great one along that and Cybersecurity and create programs where it will be about and input that we want to deliver there.  We need partners to do that.  That is why I'm advocating ourselves also.  That's what a coalition in the IGF is capable of.  We can deliver on our promises. 

That is something that I invite you to join.  Thank you for this opportunity.  We're looking forward to work with you. 

>> Yes, thank you.  Before you go.  We heard from our colleague from the postal union about the importance of discussion and bringing. I think I can hear myself.  Discussing when there is new information or there needs to be new ways of working.  You need a catalyst to boost eligibility.  Connect these ideas with the procurers.  That is the partnership that you're looking for.  Is that right?

IGF is the place for visibility.  You're looking for other areas or platforms where you can have more visibility in these ideas?

>> And be able to fund the people to do the work.  That is the other challenge.  We need to find funding to pay the experts.  We have the experts I can tell you that also. 

>> Thank you so much.  Funding, again.  We will go to one more in the room then online as well.  Working my way to the front of the room. 

We have funding.  Discussion and we need platform for visibility.  Tell us about your partnerships. 

>> Okay.  So think digital wellbeing program based in the Well culture and one of our projects is to develop it could come into the heading of digital literacy.  Not just how to use technology but more how to use technology in a way that is safe and health promoting. 

This is to preventive intervention for high schoolers across the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia so that they can engage in technology in ways that aren't, that foster wellbeing and aren't damaging to their health.  That is in partnership with John Hopkins Bloomberg school.  Culturally relevant.  That is a huge issue in terms of moving and other skills transfer.  That it is culturally attuned and not dissonant with local values and things like that. 

That has been some of our experiences with partnerships. 

>> That is a great example.  You found a partner that is based in the U.S. and your organization is based here in Saudi and your stakeholders are Saudi youth.  How have you made the most of the connection in the U.S. and then how have you landed it here in Saudi Arabia in a culturally relevant way?

>> I think there are many strands to ensure culturally relevant.  One of the partners at Hopkins is a Saudi national that studied in the U.S.  We have done stakeholder groups and stakeholder mapping with people in Saudi Arabia, teachers, parents, students. 

>> Thank you so much for that example.  If my mic, yes.  We will go online.  Let's.  Hello.  Can you hear me? Okay.  We will take one more example online and then start wrapping up.  If you could introduce yourself from online.  Hopefully, we can hear you and I will ask the IT team to put you up on the screen. 

>> Thank you.  I hope you can hear me.  Can you hear me?

>> We can hear you. 

>> Thank you.  Thank you.  Thank you. 

I wouldn't want to go to an example but want to end with a beautiful presentation.  I want to highlight one area that I found, and I find missing in the discourse.  With everything that we're dealing and the objectives.  We seem not to want to be visible addressing the issue of image and efficiency and sufficiency.  If we don't address that in an objective we will not be intentional.  If we look at feared and unfeared we have pointed to not only the challenges with connectivity.  They are a function of the availability of energy and if one looks at the issues of energy it becomes important that we address this.  That's the first thing. 

The second thing is, if we could be possible for us online to be given an opportunity to get contacts of the colleagues that have just presented and even the reports.  One would be interested in knowing in Africa which, which, which, dates in Africa have been utilized beyond Zambia.  I'm asking this from an angle of data localization and data sovereignty as you're looking at ethical AI deployment. 

One would be interested in our want and participate in that in the initiatives from Finland and in terms of the report.  Which are the African countries represented.  Thank you. 

>> Okay.  Thank you. 

>> FILIPPO PIEROZZI:  I would like to comment also on the secure by design on connectivity.  That is something that Finland especially has taken up in our discussions, for example, in Latin America.  There is digital alliance in Europe and union and Latin America and Caribbean Region.  The conference that I was referencing to we discussed the importance of having security by design because the digital economy will be based on connections and the connections need to be secure in order to increase public trust on digital services, but also for businesses so that they know that their data is secure and it doesn't leak anywhere. 

It is an issue that we are tackling and taking into consideration when we are designing projects. 

It is true that energy and connectivity they go hand in hand.  In many places in Africa, for example, communication towers are using energy by diesel generators.  If we want to find we need to use less and less fossil fuels.  One of our projects has been to provide solar panels to communication towers to be independent and provide sufficient energy so that the connectivity is actually better because it doesn't cut and so forth. 

We’re looking into that.  That's why it is called the digital and green transformation because we need to look into the digital and connectivity issues. 

Data storage is an excellent question.  We have mentioned it in other configurations in Africa.  We are building data centers.  We want to provide, as we were referring to the whole package skills and the data.  I mean the hard infrastructure, but it is also a question of who is in control of the data and in Africa I see that there is so much really good talent.  I would say, for example, on the financial sectors the applications that you have invented there far exceed the applications we have in Europe.  If you can have the ownership of the data in the data centers that could help to provide new applications using the data that the governments are gathering there. 

The best way of participating in these projects is make an inquiry to the local EU delegation and that you are interested in digitalization tell that.  Or if we don't have embassies in it all countries.  We are all part of the team Europe, and we work together.  Thank you. 

>> Thank you for those inputs.  I think there is one more person online that has raised their hand.  Please introduce yourself and the tech team has put their screen up so we can see you. 

>> Hello, everyone.  My name is Shamser Mubin Chowdhury from Bangladesh.  I have a concern.  May I start? 

>> Yes, please. 

>> That Global Digital represents an opportunity to address these challenges through Fair Global governance of Digital Technologies. However, for this conflict to be effective it must ensure that countries like Bangladesh should not be left behind.  Current data and cybersecurity frameworks that project all, not just privileged.  With that in my mind I would like to pose the following to this distinguished assembly.  How will they ensure to protect user privacy in countries like Bangladesh.  Will they address the power demonstrated by data monopolies and digital ecosystems and tackling out the cybersecurity.  What steps are being taken on cybersecurity so that developing countries like Bangladesh can develop cybersecurity?  Thank you. 

>> Thank you for those questions online.  Actually, when we did our poll here on room for data governance our audience didn't stand up.  There were few of us working on data governance, which is perhaps the most ambitious of the GDC objectives.  The GDC has provisions on the data governance for the person that asked this important question.  It has two strands.  One is to look and enhance data for development.  Data that we can use to spur and catalyze progress on the GDCs, and the second strand is on interoperable.  Tasked to develop principles in the next two years for data governance is already getting started.  Can you hear me? It looks like somebody can't hear me.  It is already getting started based out of the commission on science and technology for development in Geneva. I believe the working group will be composed and its members named in January or February of next year and then they’ll have a year and a half to work on principles.  That is good news on rapid GDC implementation.  On the question of cybersecurity I will mention this very fast and then go back to the audience. 

Recently a convention on cybersecurity.  On the European Budapest convention in the last is a years and bed rock of cybersecurity work.  A country like Bangladesh shaping that framework and implementing it on the local level going forward.  I just want to summarize where we are and then maybe start and go back to the audience for their comments.  We've been talking for the road ahead and partnerships.  A couple of things popped up.  One is the need for lots of discussion across partners to understand each other and need for translation between different cultures.  The difficulty of finding partners when one is based far away or participating online today.  It is difficult to find what you need.  The utility of platforms and forgetting visibility.  Supply and demand of partnerships.  I have great content but where are the clients that will use my great content?

The ever persistent question of financing.  Financing for these initiatives. 

I wanted to throw out into the audience of initiatives to partner.  I see there is a hand up.  Let me hand you the microphone.  There is two hands up. To help us keep thinking about these ideas if you could introduce yourself.  Thank you. 

>> Good morning.  My name is Alicia with Ministry of Economic Affairs in Netherlands and I actually wanted to circle back in the question asked in the previous section.  So I won't do it with a lot of introduction, but it was basically why doesn't the GDC link to the access lines but does it link to the SCGs?  Thanks. 

>> Hi, everyone.  I am Patricia from Uganda.  I work in the Civil Society clapping of International ICT Policies in eastern and Southern Africa.  I wanted to first talk about partnerships and the walk that we do around the topic.  We do trainings.  All things advocacy.  We do training for other parliamentary.  We do have parliamentary truck.  This is the African parliamentary network for internet governance on the continent.  We walk with the groups of people to front things around internet governance. 

You talk about the partnership.  We do have one.  Someone from East Asia mentioned we walk with Smart Africa.  We have trainings on data governance.  Things on aligning the AU data policy framework with a different policy in different countries in Africa.  We have I would say partnerships do work.  It is not about obviously the money helps.  It is aligning the different countries and organizations want.  We form the issues that we talk about, or we address in eastern and Southern Africa are not only limited to the regions we are in.  Actually even in Europe.  Context matters but the issues remain the same.  Partnerships do work.  We welcome all organizations that want to work with SEPESA and towards the goals that we all want.  Thank you. 

>> Thank you for that.  Just one comment on your intervention.  As you said this hybrid takes skills and trainings to do it together.  The hybridness of our session.  Just one point about your comments.  We love to cross countries and similarities and some of the problems are the same and desires and initiatives are the same.  If I can rephrase what with you were saying. 

Actually there are learning opportunities across the region.  Looking out there and finding others in this similar objective or frame of mind was useful for your organization, is that correct?

>> Yes.  We do have FIFA Africa.  It has nothing to do with soccer.  This year we have almost 500 participants not only from Africa but also from abroad.  And we always have different streams and different subjects and at the end when you are looking at the reports and submissions from all the different groups it's the same problems.  It is the same appetite towards open internet access to, like, all the principles. 

>> Thank you for that.  There was one last comment over here. Two more comments. Okay. We could just pass the mic. Thank you for introducing yourself. 

>> Thank you so much.  My name is Dilario. I work with the Library Aid Africa with Leverage Digit Technology And Community.  Andre approaches to transform libraries in spaces and as we were speaking about digital infrastructure investment I was talking about her libraries and access point to digital connectivity houses over time. As an organization we collaborate with libraries across African countries in context of transforming libraries into vibrant spaces and more recently working on what we called Library tracker. We’re tracking with libraries across African countries to understand what are the do in this libraries the impact making and more importantly how many of these libraries are connected right and this data to engage with policymakers and partners to understand areas of growth for libraries and for the users of the platform. They are able to see where libraries are around them and what library stands to offer for them. That also works on we called for digital features. Focus solely on how we work with libraries to transform these libraries into Tech hub’s reason because the needs of community is changing and evolving. That means that libraries roles needs to change in that trajectory.  Aside that also we also working on upscaling libraries in African countries digital skills for them to make libraries much more vibrant and viable and thrive right over time. We’ve worked with library partners across currently non-African countries to implement our intervention.

We’re looking at how we can detail economy and governance partners to see how to across innovation and not just that.  Bring development into the library to make libraries connected.  If libraries are connected, the community is also connected.  That transforms communities where libraries are connected.  Thank you so much. 

>> Hello, good morning.  I'm from the Brazilian Association from the internet service providers.  We're from the memberships of small isps that work in Brazil. We’ve been attending this IGF for a few years now trying to expose the Brazilian model of this small company has a model of bottom up infrastructure building, but I would like to know a bit more about how we can integrate these small companies into GDC and opportunities to be participating in corporations with government and other entities here because of our members do a lot of work in connecting in the world as well.  We do a lot of work with connecting schools in Brazil.  We have a lot of experience with public and private partnerships for building infrastructure in the Amazon and other under assisted in Brazil.  Provide investment in public infrastructures as well.  I would like more of a question of how we can be more of a part of the work that we are doing here. 

>> Thank you for those last comments.  That's okay.  Thank you for those last comments and I'll go back to the start of our session to respond to the last question. 

How to get involved?

The first one window, can you still hear me? To get involved is the endorsement of GDC.  It is a window online that allows an organization to signal if they'd like to endorse the vision and the principles.  That is one thing.  You also have a path where you don't endorse the vision and the principles, but you provide information on what your organization is doing and which of the five pillars of the GDC are of your greatest interest.  That is a way to get started.  What is coming up in the next few months is an implementation map of the GDC.  What the UN is currently designing.  Our role is to provide a platform and space to convene all the actors to make it easier to find each other.  The implementation maps are under design.  There should be more news on January and a way for your organization or our friend from digital libraries or our child rights advocates and all the different actors, if they would like to voluntarily signal what they're up to in GDC implementation. 

The utility of the map is not only for the Cartographer.  The SG is the map designer.  It is not to help him; it is meant to help the actor so you can come to say Liberia objective 3.  Open security online.  You can see the different actors there.  Watch this space.  Hopefully, we will have more news soon. 

I wanted to make sure to address the question from Anrea.  I actually don't know why the GDC objectives weren't in the text mapped against action lines.  However, that exercise has taken place already.  It is available online at UNGIS.org UNGSinformationsociety.org has developed a map where you can see how the GDC is connected to WHIS action lines.  It is difficult to describe how they work together.  Part of the review of the task is to say how they are interactive. 

It was the starting point and the primary framework for 20 years.  After 20 years the GDC has provided a refresher.  An icing on the cake.  Whereas it tackled the fundamental starting points of digital cooperation.  Connectivity, access to information, connecting businesses to the internet.  Talks about how it could be to sustainability.  The 20‑year agenda is still very relevant.  We still haven't connected the entire planet.  Not everybody has the digital literacy and access to capacity building to use the internet.  We still don't have the ICT to the environment.  This is still relevant. 

What the GDC does is come and adds new challenges and opportunities to this agenda after 20 years.  The members felt it is a timely moment to do so.  It adds data and DPI and misinformation and artificial intelligence et cetera.  They are implementary.  The audience might not be familiar with Action line C4.  I think that is the one that speaks about the ethics and ICTs.  Today we speak about human rights online. 

Language matters.  Language has changed.  In 2003 and 2006 and 2005 forgive me.  We were thinking about the ethics of ICTs.  Over 20 years there have been risks to human rights from the use of ICT and lack of use of ICT that the conversation has shifted and the GDC reflects this evolution in the language. 

I hope that goes some way in answering your question.  I believe everybody needs a coffee break.  We will wrap this up.  I will say one or two ideas that I'm making away from this conversation and invite ambassador Eriksson to do so.  It has been key as many of the audiences pointed out. 

It sounds like there is appetite here for finding partners and learning from others that are in similar situations across borders and recognizing similarities of the challenges we're facing.  I may be in El Salvador and be in Denmark and learning.  Learning from each other is valuable.  Partnerships take time and discussion.  Going out there and being in the pavement looking for people that you need.  It takes funding as well.  Alignment of interest so that there is incentives to collaborate.  Those are the things that I take away.  Thank you for the participation and attention this morning.  Ambassador Eriksson the last word is with you. 

>> Thank you.  My takeaway from this is we more or less know what the challenges are.  It is not just trying to find the best ways of finding partnerships and doing together and implement what we have agreed on the digital compound. 

I'm quite positive and optimistic that we can do it together.